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lonepaz789
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« on: July 27, 2010, 10:55:06 PM »

This guy came through my email today. What does everyone think?



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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2010, 07:28:43 AM »

This is the horse?
""Marty" - Blac Magic - 3 yr black Al-Khamsa, Egyptian-sired colt.  Blac Knight x Kumars Matara.  Easy to deal with, though sometimes he is too smart - he learned to let himself out of the round pen or stall when he was a yearling.  Athletic, and his dam's get have been successful at racing and endurance.  About 14.3 hands.  Class A or sport-horse halter quality."


"Too smart", in the Arabian world, translates into, "good luck keeping this horse contained", which you can already see is a problem with this guy since he learned to let himself out of the pen as a yearling.  It can also mean that the horse will make training difficult because he will not blindly accept what you tell him.  His age:  it would be at least 2 years before you could even think about doing any training for saddle work.  Arabian finish growing slower than most other horses and because of it should be left to finish their growth completely before beginning saddle training.  He will mature to be on the small side for you at 14.3, which would be another issue.  While his dam's get may be successful at racing and endurance (two different disciplines, by the way), his sire does not have the build for either.  He should be a gelding.  If his dam's get have been so successful in racing and endurance, why does she recommend him for halter showing?  That is a completely different discipline that requires a different build.  If you intend on doing breed shows, good luck.  This guy won't get you far.

He is a stud colt.  3 years old and, going by what she's said in reference to the other three she is trying to place, is most likely seriously lacking in basic ground handling.  That, in combination with you having little experience with such a horse, is a bad idea.  Keeping intact horses, whether colts or full grown stallions, offers a huge liability risk for the owner.  YOU, and you alone, are responsible for keeping the horse contained-which could prove difficult.  If he gets loose, it's on you and no judge in this country would side with you if you ended up in court because of it.  I can't tell you how many stories I've read on a variety of horse forums where the poster was having trouble-or in trouble-because their "sweet precious, never hurt anyone" stud colt turned into a raving-and potentially dangerous-lunatic when the hormones set in and there were mares around.  A couple more things to think about:  gelding in the summer is usually a bad idea, so if you got this horse, you'd have to watch him every second of everyday and enclose him in nothing short of Fort Knox, until Fall.  Then, it is still possible for them to remain fertile for around 30 days after the gelding.  You're looking at possibly 4 months worth of jail guard detail.

I am not trying to be a "nay sayer" for no reason.  If these horses were of any real value, stud colts or not, I'd be looking into them.  As I told you on the phone, if these horses were valuable-as she would have you believe-she'd be able to sell them easily and not have to give them away free.  (Which, they are not free, you'd have to pay to haul them from AL to here, and pay for any shots and coggins before they were moved.)  Just hit any of the horse classified sites.  Even Arabian weanling-3-4 months old-are selling for money and not being given away free.  The horse I was looking at was being sold because of the owner's desperate need to, and she went for $1900.  As a two year old.  Within two weeks of him posting his ads.

In short-yes I know this has been anything but  sarcastic-I wouldn't do it.  For what you'll put into this horse after hauling, over the next two years of waiting for him to finish growing, and training on the hope he turns out to be what you want, you could do better buying something that is what you are looking for.  Don't let the word "free" blind you to the reality of what this horse will end up costing you.

I wonder if we could get OFCOL over here to get a run down of this horse's conformation and pedigree.  She is a genius when it comes to this stuff and I've learned quite a bit from her over the years.
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2010, 05:20:43 PM »

I would never encourage a person new to horses to get a young stud colt. JMO
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2010, 12:55:11 AM »

Well that's about what i was thinking. Having 2 others on the same side tells me to agree. While remembering this guy did catch my eye. I am not searching for a horse. nor do i need one this young. So that settles it No he will stay put until someone else would like the project.
Wildcat I sent Raquel your email when she sends to you let her know what you are looking for.
At least i am not alone in the decision!!
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2010, 10:39:24 AM »

Sounds like you made the right choice!! And heck most horses "catch our eye" as long as they don't "catch the trailer for a ride home!!"  sarcastic
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 10:40:17 AM »

Its hard to pass up when you see the potential but honestly the way the big breeders are going under you are going to see this kind of thing alot.  Can't take them all.  Cry
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2010, 10:43:30 AM »

I like that Mary!  "Don't catch the trailer home"! sarcastic  "Can't take them all"...ain't that the truth?!   Cry

Thanks Mike, I've been emailing with Raquel this morning.

I know how tempting it is to jump into something that looks like a deal.  A few years ago, I was looking for horses with Kayode's bloodlines.  (He was used for a stud for 15 years and put 40 foals on the ground.)  I had a want ad on a website and I was contacted by a woman that had 20 Arabians she needed to place.  She was begging me to take them all, she was that desperate.  Some were incredibly well bred and would have been easy to sell, others had years of training on them.  She had fallen onto hard times and the "friend" that was supposed to be looking after them, wasn't.  They were in OK.  I seriously considered it.  Seriously.  Free, well bred Arabians?!  I thought I was crazy not to consider it.  But then I thought about the reality of it-20 horses all needing coggins, shots, trims, feed and hay, and not to mention transport from OK to KY.  Suddenly those "free" horses were looking mighty expensive.  Obviously, I declined.  Even just taking a couple would have been expensive.

There's a saying that has been drilled into my head after years of being on horse forums.  "Free horses are anything but".  (Another version would be "there's no such thing as a free horse".)  And if you think about it, it's usually true.  I got Merlin for free, but he cost me in two vet visits-and two years of recovery time-to deal with the injury that was the reason he was free.  

You're still planning on sending the girls out for training, aren't you?  You may find that you've got a great endurance horse in one of them and it would come with a bonus of not having an extra mouth to feed, an extra set of feet to trim and shoe, and another horse with the potential for huge vet bills. Wink
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2010, 12:18:54 AM »

Yes the girls are still going to go to training. I need to get my tax refund in first. I went for the home buyers credit. Well guess what that lead to Audit. So now i am playing 150 questions with the IRS. But thankfully i used a CPA for the home buyers credit thing. Every thing else is 100% right. So i know i will be fine there.

As far as Marty, Just buy looks i though he may have bin the one. But he's not for me. There will be more that will come along. Maybe one of them will be the one. While keeping in mind that i am not Actively looking for another horse. I would just like to have a gelding, Not another mare. Of course he must fit into what else i am looking for!! Young, Not yet trained/Ruined By abuse. Maybe even for showing.

And another note, I get my first real riding lesson Sunday (tommrow). Needless to say i am excited about that!!! It will also be nice to see where a trainer will say i fit. I think i am still a beginner,  I have bin told i am getting much better but will find out!!!!!  Then Monday i will be gone for a week It's riding time!!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2010, 08:30:25 AM »

Have fun with your riding lesson!  I can imagine how excited you are.  I can't wait to be ready to have my trainer come out here to work with me and the horses!
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